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Are we characters of a book ?

kpwbo said:
I'm not even sure if the book is meant to be read, but I'm supposing it is.

I'm just supposing this whole theory is true. I myself don't believe it.

kpwbo said:
Why would the story end when all the characters have died ? Vacuum is a good subject for a story . Perhaps another Big Bang then ?

I guess another Big Bang would be possible. The last one 'seems to have occurred out of nowhere and for no apparent reason'.

kpwbo said:
How can you be sure that our author will want to make us all disappear ?

If the author continues to follow the current logic of our universe, it will most likely happen.

P.S. "Vacuum is a good subject for a story ." This is going to be one of my favourite kpwbo quotes.
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I just had an idea. I will post this question in Omegle : "Do you think we are characters in a book written by gods ?". (If you don't know what I'm talking about : basically, two anonymous strangers should be discussing this question while I'm watching them without the slight possibility of intervening in their discussion.) I will post the most interesting discussions here (if any, considering the average maturity of Omegle users). We can then discuss what they talked about.

What do you think ?

Here's a first one :

EDIT : did some coloring for readability.
EDIT 2 : sorry for grammar mistakes and inappropriate words. I will keep the discussions as they were (except maybe for cutting some parts if necessary).

Question to discuss:
Do you think we are characters in a book written by gods ?
Stranger 1: yes
Stranger 2: if we are than my author sucks
Stranger 1: same here
Stranger 2: i bet no one's reading the book i'm in
Stranger 1: mine either
Stranger 2: literally nothing exciting happens in my life and i get emtionally upset over fictional characters
Stranger 1: lol that is unfortunate
Stranger 2: yeah
Stranger 1: i need a new author
Stranger 2: same here
Stranger 1: can i write my story?
Stranger 2: maybe that'd be like first-person point of view
Stranger 1: true
Stranger 2: do you think that if we are characters in a book written by gods that we broke the system/universe by realizing the we were characters in a book
Stranger 1: yes
Stranger 2: this is just like wondering if you're on a tv show in another universe
Stranger 1: ohhhhhh i hope that not true
Stranger 2: yeah same here
Stranger 2: no one would watch it anyways
Stranger 1: true lol
Stranger 2: maybe we're just side-characters who really don't contribute to the story at all
Stranger 1: its a possibility
Stranger 1: ......or we are the main characters in a really fucked up show
Stranger 2: hmmmmm
Stranger 2: maybe it's just the beginning of the story and we're working our way up to the climax
Stranger 1: possibly
Stranger 2: in that case my story has a boring beginning
Stranger 1: mine toooo
Stranger 2: i'i can't even think of the most interesting thing to have happened in my life
Stranger 1: me either
Stranger 2: yeah
Stranger 1: welll now i have to think about life until i fall asleep
Stranger 2: i probably wont go to sleep
Stranger 1: im more than likely going to
Stranger 2: i'm a huge insomniac
Stranger 1: that sucks
Stranger 2: yeah
Stranger 1: i need my sleep
Stranger 2: i'll just end up going to sleep at like four and sleep until twelve
Stranger 1: sounds like fun
Stranger 1 has disconnected
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What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means ? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil, or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil ?

They made some interesting points.

1. 'Stranger 1: can i write my story?'

Imagine: what if every book we write causes the creation of a universe in which the events of that book occur. Would it be ethically correct to write books in which bad things happen?

2. 'Stranger 2: maybe we're just side-characters who really don't contribute to the story at all'

Perhaps we are. But if there were 'side-characters', there would also be main characters. Who? What is their role? Do we live in a universe of which the story of the book has passed? Do universes continue to exist after the story has ended (assuming it does), after which the universe continues the 'story' by simply applying the logic of that universe on its state after the events of the book?

3. 'Stranger 2: maybe it's just the beginning of the story and we're working our way up to the climax'

If we are, then what is the book about? What will happen?
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Would it be ethically correct to write books in which bad things happen?
We already do so at school . I have no idea how much characters have done bad things in my stories.

2. 'Stranger 2: maybe we're just side-characters who really don't contribute to the story at all'
Every side-character usually has its own reason to exist, its own contribution to the story (even if it is little). Maybe one side-character will unconsciously help the main character(s), by, I don't know, pushing this little rock two meters away 500 years ago. Every action might be important.

If we are, then what is the book about? What will happen?
How are we supposed to know the answer to these questions ? We can't tell the future. Maybe we aren't even in the main story. Maybe we are in a sequel, where we can see the consequences of the main character's(s') actions.

Another discussion :

Question to discuss:
Do you think we are characters in a book written by gods ?
Stranger 2: Fuck no
Stranger 1: That's a great question
Stranger 1: Wow
Stranger 2: where the fuck did you hear that from?
Stranger 1: It's an intellectual musing
Stranger 1: Dumbass
Stranger 2: Sorry... .-.
Stranger 1: I mean open your mind
Stranger 1: It's wonderful
Stranger 2: Alright, lemme get a knife
Stranger 2: jk
Stranger 1: Imagine this
Stranger 2: Even if this was, my chapters would be absoutely boring
Stranger 1: We are all atoms creating the sweat on a tall glass of water
Stranger 1: In another world
Stranger 1: Inhibited by other beings
Stranger 1: We are wiped away in seconds my a hand
Stranger 1: *by
Stranger 1: In what feels like eons to us
Stranger 1: Our entire knowledge of the existence of everything
Stranger 1: Is in that one drop
Stranger 1: That is an intellectual musing, stranger.
Stranger 2: You should seriously write a book.
Stranger 1: I am.
Stranger 2: Cool.
Stranger 1: And I have many more thoughts.
Stranger 1: Thank you.
Stranger 1: )
Stranger 2: Thanks for the thought.
[...]
Stranger 2 has disconnected
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What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means ? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil, or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil ?

Sorry for double posting. The last post would have been huge if I had edited it.

Question to discuss:
Do you think we are characters in a book written by gods ?
Stranger 1: no because
Stranger 1: there is no such thing as "gods"
Stranger 2: How do you know that?
Stranger 2: Let's be serious here.
Stranger 2: I'm not religious, but what makes you sure there is no form of God whatsoever?
Stranger 1: because the bible was written by the dick shit english and jesus was completely portrayed as an englishman, which he never would have actualyl looked, so that people would have a reason for why things happen
Stranger 2: I'm not talking about Christianity at all.
Stranger 1: and our society as made us think that if we don't capitalize the word god
Stranger 1: that we're in the wronf
Stranger 1: wrong
Stranger 2: There is NO way that God exists in a christian form.
Stranger 1: and what makes you think that we aren't the greatest beings
Stranger 2: God is a proper name, like Tom or Chuck.
Stranger 1: what sort of evidence to you have at all that there is something else out there
Stranger 2: I have no idea if we are or not, but if there was some form of God-like being we would not be able to see/notice them.
Stranger 2: Unless they wanted us to, of course.
Stranger 1: oh
Stranger 1: just like a ghost
Stranger 2: No, not like a ghost at all.
Stranger 1: just like the supernatural
Stranger 1: actually yes
Stranger 2: Also, they would not focus on Earth.
Stranger 1: you just described how we portray ghosts
Stranger 2: Not at all.
Stranger 1: i like the story you are making up
Stranger 1: it would make a great book
Stranger 2: I don't think they'd be earthly at all.
Stranger 2: Quadrillions+ of galaxies. Earth would be insignificant.
Stranger 1: you have a wide imagination
Stranger 2: I'm not being imaginative.
Stranger 1: gods?
Stranger 1: that is pretty imaginative
Stranger 2: I HONESTLY don't know if there are some form of god-like entities or not.
Stranger 2: Not gods in the way we see in various cultures, but a creative being may exist.
Stranger 2: Who the fuck am I to say I know with 100% certainty that there is not?
Stranger 2: That's extremely overzealous.
Stranger 1: hahahah
Stranger 1: to each their own
Stranger 2: I suppose so.
Stranger 1: the way i see it
Stranger 1: whatever
Stranger 1: is that i don't need to ease my mind and have some imaginary being there that would explain why everything is the way it is
Stranger 1: because it's more interesting to learn the truth of how everything is the way it is
Stranger 1: not some made up fiction that some great person created everything
Stranger 1: great being
Stranger 1: whatever
Stranger 2: I honestly think if there was anything that created the universe it would give less than a shit about Earth or anyone on it.
Stranger 2: It wouldn't be a person. You're thinking too hard into the confines of religion.
Stranger 1: so what would it be?!
Stranger 2: I'm not talking about Jesus or Allah or whomever.
Stranger 1: what are the logistics behind any of this?
Stranger 2: I have no idea. That's what I'm saying.
Stranger 2: We can't be 100% sure of anything.
Stranger 1: yes i guess so
Stranger 2: I'm just saying, if you look at the dictionary definition of a God, there would be no way of proving whether or not one exists.
Stranger 2: If something did create the universe, we are in no way advanced enough to see/contact it.
Stranger 2: Hell, it may not even be a living thing.
Stranger 2: I have no goddamn idea.
Stranger 1: we never will be though
Stranger 2: Precisely.
Stranger 1: the human brain will never be able to comprehend anything like that
Stranger 2: Which is why my answer to "is there a God" is "I have no fucking idea".
Stranger 1: well i still don't think there is
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What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means ? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil, or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil ?

#2 made some interesting points. When I think about it, he basically worded my thoughts on the subject, but he did a better job at it.
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Assuming a god exists and we cannot be aware of its existence, then why worship it? If it were to smite us, we would notice it and if it really doesn't want us to know about it, it couldn't do that. What if it no longer exists? What if it created the universe and vanished?


And don't worry, I understand. Double posting was acceptable in this case.
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jaany2 said:
Assuming a god exists and we cannot be aware of its existence, then why worship it?
If he existed, then you would "win" by worshiping it, right ? And if he didn't exist, then you wouldn't have lost anything. On the other hand, if you didn't worship it, you would have "lost" if he existed. It is a safer bet to worship god (I know that this is not the best reason to believe in god).

Also, we, theists, are aware of the existence of god. Usually, it is because god communicated with our ancestors in different ways, and they have transmitted us their knowledge of god. In some religions, he still does communicate with people today, which means that he is still there. Other religions claim that their god has left for some time and that he will return after.
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What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means ? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil, or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil ?

kpwbo said:
If he existed, then you would "win" by worshiping it, right ? And if he didn't exist, then you wouldn't have lost anything. On the other hand, if you didn't worship it, you would have "lost" if he existed. It is a safer bet to worship god (I know that this is not the best reason to believe in god).

You're right, this is a pretty bad reason to believe in a deity. By believing something like this without any form of legitimate evidence to back it up you basically limit your own options. Not saying this apples to all theists, but it's far from uncommon for people to be blinded by their religion, even though there's no real reason for people to believe in the deity they worship to begin with, a fine example would be terrorism.

kpwbo said:
Also, we, theists, are aware of the existence of god. Usually, it is because god communicated with our ancestors in different ways, and they have transmitted us their knowledge of god. In some religions, he still does communicate with people today, which means that he is still there. Other religions claim that their god has left for some time and that he will return after.

Pics or it didn't happen . Now seriously, there's no evidence to back it up. Never has someone given any evidence that a god has communicated with him or her. Also, the fact that there are so many religions which believe in entirely different deityies doesn't help with the credibility issues. Also, why would a god just be like "hey guys, afk for a sec, brb in a few centuries"? That doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me.
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kpwbo said:
If he existed, then you would "win" by worshiping it, right ? And if he didn't exist, then you wouldn't have lost anything. On the other hand, if you didn't worship it, you would have "lost" if he existed. It is a safer bet to worship god (I know that this is not the best reason to believe in god).

How would you "win"? We were assuming god cannot allow itself to become apparent and if it were to intervene with our lives because we don't worship it, we would notice it.

But if god has no reason to stay hidden, then it would indeed be a 'safer bet' to worship it. That is, if you doubt its existence.
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