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Are we characters of a book ?

Think about this :

We are characters of a book. All our universe is confined into that book. As in our world, many books exist. Therefore, there are many universes.

Our story progresses as the author (god, nature, Arceus, the book itself or whatever you believe in) writes. He knows the past, the present and the future, therefore he is omniscient. He decides of "everything" (more on that later) that happens, therefore he is omnipotent.

When the author stops writing, our story stops, time is stopped. We can then say that the writer is in the 4th dimension (which is believed to be related to time).

Our book could be written by different authors. I'll talk about one in particular : Satan, the devil, evil, Voldemort or whatever you believe in. This may explain why our "main" author isn't fully omnipotent and why bad things happen.

That main author can intervene in our world by creating a character that represents him : Jesus, the great spirit, the divine presence, Buddha or whatever you believe in.

Of course, we can't fully understand this, because it is in a higher dimension than us.

So what do you think ?
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What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means ? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil, or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil ?

I'm atheist, so I don't believe in any of this. Instead, I will talk about the opinion of others.

Certain people believe the universe to be a simulation of a supercomputer of an intellectually superior being. In this case, our universe could be compared to a simulation in a sandbox god game. If we were to play this game, we would be the 'god', and we could do with the universe as we please. When starting a new 'save', one could potentially define the laws of physics in that particular universe. But if these laws cannot be broken, that would mean that in our universe, the 'god' has no real power, as nearly everything that happens has an explanation. The only thing he could control would be the only thing that doesn't always act logically: humans (and other living organisms).

I find this theory rather interesting. I could imply that our universe is merely a 'game' controlled by a 'child alien'. I personally don't believe this theory is correct, though.
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No, just no. I don't believe in a higher power or deity, because not a single shred of (valid) evidence has been presented. The simulation thing seems equally illogical, but it's an interesting thought. Also, I'm pretty sure that we have full control over ourselves, none of that "destiny" bull you often hear about. Also, if we were a book, a lot more inconsistencies would occur, there's almost always some sort of mistake in the universe of a long running series, especially over the course of... I should Google the age of our universe, but meh.
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How would you explain why some people act in ways that are, from a logical point of view, completely unimaginable (except for the most obvious reason of 'they're just really, really, REALLY stupid')?
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jaany2 said:
How would you explain why some people act in ways that are, from a logical point of view, completely unimaginable (except for the most obvious reason of 'they're just really, really, REALLY stupid')?

A fairly valid argument, but you kind of gave the answer to it yourself. Sometimes people can be extremely blind. Seeing this thread being about religion, I'm gonna use that as an example for this.

Some people think that because of a god, everything that's gonna happen is predetermined. This can blind them into looking at problems the wrong way. I'll use the example from the gun thread here, where a grandma of a shot child says it was destiny that the child died so soon. This is completely wrong, as it could've been avoided in many ways, and not a single deity whatsoever is needed in these solutions. They could've refrained from buying a ugn for their son as a toy. Guns could've been banned long ago. The parents could've informed their son of the risks of using a gun. They could've taken the ammo out beforehand. I think I could go on if I wanted to, but I think I made my point.

Also, yay, this thread leads to some food for thought for me, even if the subject is somewhat ridiculous.
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"Freedom cannot be forced on others. It must be earned for oneself." ~ IF Prototype LQ-84i

One explanation of why people started to believe in 'gods' is because things for which they had no explanation happened. This grew into people thinking that if a 'god' that does unexplainable things exists, 'it' must have a free will, and therefore bad things must be the will of this 'god' and resistance is useless.

P.S. the quotation marks are used to make sure none feels left out.
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chrizzel28 said:
No, just no. I don't believe in a higher power or deity, because not a single shred of (valid) evidence has been presented.

In Antiquity, there was no scientific evidence that America existed. Yet we now know that it exists. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means ? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil, or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil ?

jaany2 said:
One explanation of why people started to believe in 'gods' is because things for which they had no explanation happened. This grew into people thinking that if a 'god' that does unexplainable things exists, 'it' must have a free will, and therefore bad things must be the will of this 'god' and resistance is useless.

P.S. the quotation marks are used to make sure none feels left out.

There's a problem with that these days though: science. It makes religion pretty much obsolete these days, because almost everything we need to know about the universe has been discovered already. Also, if a god knows all of the consequences his/her/it's actions have, I wouldn't worship it. I wouldn't worship a god that pretends to be good when it does these things, only if a god were to prove to me that he's completely good or evil would I worship it. Heck, even morally gray would be fine, as long this god doesn't have this pretentious air about it.

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In Antiquity, there was no scientific evidence that America existed. Yet we now know that it exists. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

But no one believed there was this huge continent out there either. Besides, the only reason it was unknown was because of a lack of exploration of the Earth, these days all of the Earth is pretty much known. You could argue that the same is true if you replace America with god and Earth with the universe, but there's no reason to believe it's out there if there's no evidence to support it.
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Exactly: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but nowadays, absence would be a safe bet.
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Absence of evidence is basically the same as absence of credibility.
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